My Beloved Sister,

FJ: We are so grateful for your comments and Spirit. Please bear with us as we attempt to bring clarity to our statements and render to you what the Bible states. First we note that we have made a considerable inquiry into this subject. We will forward those statements but for now we will pay particular attention to the concerns you have raised. We also note that we are on one accord you only have a slight misunderstanding. We also admit that anyone can become confused about this subject especially the unbelievers.

So if you truly embrace the Word of God and not some other notion we will be able to see clearly what the Word is saying. We also note at the outset that please pray and ask God to lead and guide you. We ask this because anyone that believes that Jesus is God flirts with the ungodly notion of man in the flesh as God.

Brother Cal,

Sister: This statement in your text I believe is very much on point and should be heeded by anyone who attempts to dissect the Word of God.

FJ Previously: We bear witness that there are many things that we (believers) don't understand about God. Therefore all those that come to know God and grow in Truth realize that we will never know everything about God on this side of the river.

Sister: And knowing that this is true, I must then disagree with your interpretation of Jesus, the Father and Holy Ghost. I disagree because your interpretation contradicts the Word of God. Was it not you in an earlier post who said that we as believers should not pick and choose the parts of the Bible that we wish to believe but to honor it in its entirety? For it is within the first book of the Gospel of John in the first verse that it is written, " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" And later in verse 14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

FJ: Often the verses you mentioned from the Book of John are confused and mis-understood. However if you keep God Supreme and stop looking for other things equal that are separate you can see this. God has no beginning nor does time.

The writer John notes the work of the Creation of the heavens and earth and this is the subject of Genesis the 1st Chapter. The Being whom we call the Son of God was in existence before the Creation of the universe. However, in the Book of John He is called the Word.

Now for the phrase "The Word was God." We are sure you understand that there are literal and figurative phrases, words etc. noted in the Bible. But let us note a point of information at this point. NONBELIEVERS WILL ALWAYS HAVE DIFFICULTY UNDERSTANDING THE CONCEPT OF FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT AS ONE. AS EXTENSIONS OF THE FATHER THE TRIUNE IS ALSO SEPARATE. HOWEVER, NONE ARE DEFINED AS GOD ALL BY HIMSELF EXCEPT THE FATHER.

We will now continue: "The Word was God" is said on the basis that God is the family name of the Deity. Therefore, any member of that family will rightfully take that name. Members of my family all take the Patton name as they are part of a particular family.

Furthermore this is why Jesus is called God in Isaiah 9:6, Matthew 19:17 and Acts 20:28. This also explains why Church of Christ and Church of God all mean the same thing. Thus, you see these terms used interchangeably throughout the New Testament.

Now we call your attention to the second verse that you did not mention. But we feel it is necessary to bring more clarity to your concerns. "The same was in the beginning with God."

Here we see a line of thought extending from the 1st verse. But while the term "God" applies to each of the Beings considered, yet they are to be understood as two separate personalities else one of them could not be with the other.

For your thought and mediation. The separateness of God and Jesus does not mean that Jesus was also God. It means that Jesus was an extension of His Father and had many of the qualities, powers etc. of His Father. But the Father is the Father and the Son is the Son. My sons could never be me. However they may have many qualities that I possess.

Sister: Now, I do not dare attempt to define, interpret or translate God's Word with a definitive answer. I believe that when reading, God reveals through our spirits the interpretation and meaning of His Word. I also believe that man's wisdom will never understand or fully comprehend the fullness of the acts of God and for us to stand absolute on doctrine and interpretation is what separates us.

FJ: True so true. However this Spirt is the Holy Spirt that is part of Triune God-Head. You may have also implied that there is very little or no scripture that support the Triune. However there is scripture that supports the existence of the Holy Spirit.

Now for a look at verse 14 in the Book of John. "And the Word was made flesh." We believe that this is what is troubling you and has caused your statement that Jesus is God. Again we note that you have to realize the literal and figurative meanings noted in scripture.

The Word was wholly Spiritual until the time for God's great will (see Hebrews 10: 7, 9).

The purpose of this will was to have as Son sent by God begotten by a virgin and of Divine quality to be a sacrifice for sin. Thus, He would have to come in the flesh.

My Beloved turn now to Luke 1: 34-35 for an additional note on this subject.

Luke 1:34. "Then said Mary unto the angel, how shall this be, seeing I know not a man?"

1:35. And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee; therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

The Holy Ghost/Spirt is invisible although it is a personal being. Thus it can lead and guide us if we embrace God. This Spirit is what entered Mary and created the birth of Jesus. However, this Spirit was sent directly by God. Therefore the angel concluded that the person brought forth from this union was the Son of God. (Also see Matthew 1:20).

Sister: Is it important to believe that God and Jesus are one, or is the importance in showing reverence to the Almighty and praising Him for providing the source of salvation through the Lord and Saviour? Just my thoughts Singa ------------------------

FJ: Beloved Sister Singa. We are grateful for your comments. This last statement is most important. We are to give reverence to God the Son and the Holy Spirit. (For example we pray to the Father but in the name of our Savior Jesus Christ. This sounds illogical to the unbelievers but to the believers it makes God Sense). However we must always be mindful that the Power of Jesus Christ comes from God and so does the power of the Holy Spirit although sent by Jesus its origin is God.

Therefore we pray that you will continue to read and study the Bible. Keep in mind that God is Supreme. This is what the Bible renders as itís most central and crucial message. This is clear in that many come to call upon other Christís and Messiahs. Thus we must understand who is the Messiah and His relationship to God to discern the many False Prophets.

Peace and Love,

Carl Patton writing for the FreedomJournal May 8, 2002 in the year of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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